After Nashville
A call in / interview style podcast discussing entertainment industry topics. Hosted by Darrell D White & Jack Anthony Christopher
After Nashville
Karaoke Kings vs. Real Musicians: The Battle for Nashville
What happens when the Nashville dream doesn't play out exactly as planned? Is it failure, or just a different kind of success? In this raw, unfiltered debut episode of After Nashville, hosts Darrell "D" White and Jack Christopher pull back the curtain on the music industry's uncomfortable truths.
Drawing from decades of Nashville experience, the hosts tackle provocative questions: Does karaoke have any legitimate place in Music City? Is it ever appropriate to tell someone they simply don't have the talent to achieve their dreams? Have shows like American Idol damaged the industry by prioritizing backstories over ability?
The conversation deepens when former boxing champion Homer Lee Gibbons calls in to share his perspective on fame and success. "If I did anything before I could become rich, I wouldn't do it at all. It's about the lives that I impact," he reveals, offering a powerful counterpoint to the "fame at any cost" mentality that drives many artists.
Singer, Songwriter and Nashville recording artist Robert Burgeis calls in while out on the town and reveals the artist he thinks deserves more respect in Music City!
Working musician from Branson Sharpie joins the discussion, revealing the gritty realities behind the glamour. They explore the delicate balance between persistence and knowing when to pivot, and how redefining success might be the key to long-term happiness in the industry.
This podcast isn't just for musicians – it's for anyone who's ever chased a dream and wondered if the conventional definition of "making it" is really what they should be pursuing. After Nashville reminds us that sometimes life's greatest success comes from knowing yourself well enough to choose the right path, even when it diverges from what everyone else expects.
Theme song and break music "It's A Trip" provided courtesy of Ronnie Pittman
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Speaker 3:Welcome to the first edition of After Nashville, the Almost Live Podcast. It's going to be kind of a call-in show, but you know again, we were discussing how in the hell do you start a call-in show with no audience?
Speaker 3:You're going to have to work with us folks the first few episodes or whatever, until we get all this set up. You know we've got people that you know we've sent, you know, our message out, you know, to call in and know we've got people that you know we've sent, you know, our message out, you know, to call in and that we're going to be discussing different topics. Yeah, and eventually we're going to be able to open this up to the public, where they're going to be able to call in and give us their opinions on these different subjects that we're going to be talking about. Absolutely, but we really don't know, as we're going into the recording, who is going to call us and be a part of this. So it's kind of like an experiment all together, absolutely, and to see if we can get this turned over to be live and not almost live. Right, Absolutely.
Speaker 3:So anyway, a little bit about myself and why this is called After Nashville is that, I'd say, about 27 years ago, yeah, you took me up to Nashville and I went up there to follow you. You were like the biggest, hottest thing that come out of our little town. We get up there. You introduced me to this place called the Fiddle and Steel Guitar Bar, yep, and somehow you kind of vanished and just left me there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, guilty as charged, for sure.
Speaker 3:Now I'm coming back to Georgia, now that I'm coming back, is everything over. And I got with you and you were like, hey, let's do a podcast of everything that happened in Nashville industry-type issues to help people out so they don't make mistakes. Yeah, but then we're going to throw in some topics that, once we get listeners that are going to call in, they'll be able to participate. Right, just a fun podcast? Yeah, absolutely, man. Well, let's get started, man, let's do this. I'll go ahead and use you as the the first example. Okay, the first subject I want to cover is jack. What was the dream when you first started doing?
Speaker 2:music. Well, uh, you know, being young when you're young, uh, I think, is a dream in your mind. You want to be a star, and you know that has a lot of variations to it, but I think at the time I wanted to absolutely, you know, either cut my songs or cut somebody else's songs and be on the radio.
Speaker 3:So was the dream to be a superstar or was it just to be a part of the business? Because of coming back from Nashville did I fail. But you know, again, I was a comedian in Nashville, so it's not like a singer that went up there. Now I'm coming back. I have had that feeling a little bit. Is it over?
Speaker 2:You know, absolutely.
Speaker 3:And that's what.
Speaker 2:I felt like I did. You know, when I walked away and you know my life had changed kids came along I kind of felt like it's over. You know that dream, but you're still, like I said, you know, mid-20s, early 30s and being the age we are now. This is why this podcast means so much now to me, because we've learned both of us so much, right, you know, and we've gained a lot of experience, and we know the ins and outs and what to do's and what not to do's, and I think my perspective A lot's and what not to do's, and I think my perspective.
Speaker 3:A lot more of what not to do. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:And perspectives you know obviously changed, you know. So to me now success, I see it in a completely different light.
Speaker 3:What is the dream now for you?
Speaker 2:Dream now for me, honestly, d get up there, get a song cut. That would be. My biggest dream is just to have other artists singing my songs, becoming a published writer dishing out songs, man, potentially song of the year.
Speaker 3:As I understand it, you are going back to Nashville in October. Yes, sir, that's kind of ballsy man. It seems like it's a different dream from the first one, that now it's more of songwriting, because you were a singer-songwriter. Right Now the dream is more of songwriting, if I hear you correctly.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Just straight. Songwriting man, that's honestly. I love to sing you know that but I feel like my forte is lyrics. You know I've always been really good with lyrics. I think that's where I would really have a better chance of getting in and getting what I want done. Singers are all over the place. Of course, there's a lot of songwriters too, but I feel like I'm good enough to be a part of that elite group.
Speaker 3:That kind of leads me to the next question that we will be talking to our listeners about. A lot of people know that I promoted the Fiddler's Deal. I was a door guy. That's how I met most of the people that I know in the industry was a door guy. That's how I met most of the people that I know in the industry. Greatest club ever is that karaoke and the music business is two separate businesses completely. You know, there's a karaoke business and there's a music business and I think that it's been misunderstood that it's the same thing. I'll put it this way when you go on vacation and you go to disney world, you don't go there to be mickey mouse no. You don't go to vegas to Mouse no. You don't go to Vegas to be the dealer no. So why the hell come to Nashville to be the singer Right?
Speaker 2:I think they get with their girlfriends and stuff and they think, well, this is an easy way in, I'll go sing for her.
Speaker 3:And people are like man, why is it so? They're just having fun. No, I don't think that I. I was there every night. These people are not having fun. They take this serious. Oh, I know they think that they're going to be discovered. Yeah, you know these singers that come in there every night. They think that they're better than these singers that are next door playing with the real band. Yeah, and they have no idea. Oh, I do a better rendition.
Speaker 2:Well, you've got to remember too that karaoke music and you know this it it's programmed. It's not like playing with a band, right? It's not that you may think it is, but it is clearly not honestly, I hate singing karaoke.
Speaker 3:It's too programmed. I want to talk to you. There is it is again throughout the years. I think that karaoke is fun. You know what I'm saying? It's for a party.
Speaker 2:If you're having a private party and you got your friends there and family and they get drunk and they all want to sing.
Speaker 3:That's where karaoke goes yes, but again it's the, the ones that take it to the extreme. Or the people that are making the mistake are thinking because I don't want them to leave after nashville and go. Well, it didn't work out the way that I wanted to. It put a bad spill on nashville because they were not found, or discovered that's the thing is that it's fun all over the rest of the world. In most of these clubs, it's supposed to be fun.
Speaker 2:And I think that's the key word for it. It's nothing to me that belongs in the music business per se, but it's for fun, Right? You know people have a good time doing it. I get that, you know. But to me it needs to be drawn. And having a karaoke bar right across from something like the Fiddle and Steal, personally I think it's an insult, Right, yeah, Because we know what Well it got to the point where the fiddle was surrounded.
Speaker 3:I mean, there was karaoke next door, karaoke across the street, live band karaoke upstairs, which I still don't understand, live band karaoke, because karaoke is actually without orchestra. Right, you're playing to a track, right? So I mean it's really, you know, live karaoke would be open mic. Thank, you right, that's what they called it open mic and that's the difference between you know the music business, you know have open mic nights.
Speaker 2:Right, you know what that meant. I'm gonna get to jam with these badass players up on the stage, right you know you know karaoke. That's what number are you doing tonight?
Speaker 3:And I have a lot of jokes, and that's the thing is that this is my time to explain that I really don't hate karaoke.
Speaker 2:If it does need to be in Nashville, it should only be one, just one, just one bar where you can go have fun and do your thing, and I respect that and that way you know what you're walking into. Hey, this is a karaoke bar, this is what we do, right, but don't have it on every other corner, right, and I'm even seeing that down here D in some of the places I'm playing on some of these off nights of, say, friday, you know, maybe they didn't have a live band or a solo artist. Come in, you'll see karaoke Right 7 to 10.
Speaker 3:Well, it's gotten so easier. It's cheaper for the bar owners to be able to have a karaoke night than to have a live band. Yeah, and more people show up for karaoke, you know, because they can be a part of it. Yeah, and I get that man, I do but, but there is so many bars but that's taking away gigs everywhere for musicians.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for the people that actually try to make a living doing it right, you know am I just out of my mind?
Speaker 3:that's why, again, I want to throw it out there and see what again of any callers that come in in your opinion. I had no idea what your opinion was. Is there any substance to my bitterness?
Speaker 2:I guess you would say no, I completely 100 agree that.
Speaker 3:Uh, I agree with you 100 and again it kind of leads me to the next question. Is that because this is the problem that I had in nashville and I always come off like a dick is it ever okay to tell people that they don't have the talent to pursue that dream? Because I would like to know me personally.
Speaker 3:I would too you know if I'm in a club and I'm hitting on a chick and I have no chance at it. I don't want my buddies behind me going with thumbs up you know, because they just want to see me freaking. Make an idiot of myself, right, right, don't make. Don't. Let me make an idiot of myself. Let me know, bring me back down to the level and go.
Speaker 3:Dude, you ain't got a shot with that period hell I'm not that attracted to be hitting on that class of woman, right, and it would save the women in these clubs go. I mean, because you know women get hit on all the time and women are nice to these people because if they're not, then the guy walks off and go that that bitch. You know I'm saying, I'm not trying to crush your dream, you you know. Let me give you an example. I come from a family of musicians Yep, talented musicians. You know my brother.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, sir, I played with him many years.
Speaker 3:Ever since I was able to remember my brother's four years older than me. So I mean, don't think my brother was 10, 15 years older than me, but you know, at four or five I remember that my brother was doing talent shows and just badass. And then in his teenage years I mean early teenage years he started a band called Witch's Hollow Yep, and people today in our area still remember them because they were the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they made a huge impact. I've told you before, I think in one of my first interviews, clint was an inspiration to me, right, you know, because he was a few years older than I was and, dude, I watched them and, dude, they were the shit at the time. I mean, you know, clint had this massive voice, your brother hitting double bass like tommy lee.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know, dude, they were good right, that's where everybody went was to see witches hollow right and you always want to kind of follow in your older brother's footsteps. Of course, and I remember as a child is that when I would try to play the drums Right, I didn't have it.
Speaker 3:I sucked you know you wanted to have it, but you know, when I sit on the drums I was thinking I was doing the same thing, as my brother and my family recognized it right off the bat, you know. But they did me a favor. I mean they tried to persuade you you'd be a good dj. They seen that I had a talent for a personality and I had no talent for music, right. So they tried to shift me and at the time I didn't believe them. I'm gonna keep at it and uh, you know, my brother and him gave me his old drum set and everything. For years I tried to play. I just didn't have it and finally I decided I was just gonna to be a music fan and get into dj and podcasting. Stand up, you know where my talent lied. Yeah, and I look back and I go.
Speaker 3:Thank god they told me from the beginning right, you know I mean, because look at you they still gave me a chance to kind of pursue it, but again it was not on the stage you don't have to be, you know completely ugly about it, but I would really think it would do them justice and a favor, telling them in some kind of sentimental way look, I understand, you like music.
Speaker 2:Maybe find another passion in the music business if that's what you want to do. There's studio engineering, there's guitar techs. There's so many other things that you could do that may find out that you're better at than you were. Whatever was going to do. How many?
Speaker 3:musicians have you met? That started at 30 uh, not many they started at a very young age yes, and they practice their ass off yes but I could tell you a million people who start karaoke at 30 yes, and all of a sudden they're because because they don't realize how much work goes into the the bands, and you got to meet the band.
Speaker 3:You got to do this because back when I first got to nashville and the way that's, we used to be able to get up on a stage uh-, not because they're the type up there, man, if you weren't good you weren't getting up. And they would tell you.
Speaker 2:Nashville is a cutthroat town, dude, they do not, and it's not being mean, but they will flat tell you no, you're not getting up here playing.
Speaker 3:Well, and that was the way it was back when we first went there. It's not like that, no more. Is that? Because you know again, it's now politically correct? Is that musicians have had to accept because they don't want to, they don't want to come off arrogant, right? And that's why the hell I'm this is why I'm bringing up this topic right, of getting it off these people's head, because, I mean, here's the real deal, buddy, is that in that and they're not going to tell you this, but in nashville, once you get labeled a karaoke singer, it's over, yeah, is that there's no way out of it? Is that? And and I have seen, don't get me wrong some people that started off with karaoke that finally decided, okay, I'm gonna get a band and we're gonna go out there, and I've seen the struggles that these people went through and how much harder it was for them yeah, because they didn't realize the the work behind it.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of work behind that.
Speaker 3:A lot of work, but these people actually could sing Right, you know, and that was the thing. Is that? That's why it's kind of such a weird topic, man, is that? I've seen it.
Speaker 2:Kind of work too you know, these calls will definitely be interesting, because I'm sure there's going to be tons of different opinions right on this right.
Speaker 3:It leads us to our next topic. One thing I can't stand in the music industry are these damn american idols and america's got talent type shows I know exactly the backstories you know the, the backstories. What I think that we're going to be hearing a lot is that you know that a mix of the two that is about ratings or or whatever but why do we not have a real show that's out there that just focuses on the?
Speaker 2:talent. Right, exactly, you know you got um. The show should be called backstory america's got backstory right.
Speaker 3:It's gotten so outrageous that don't watch this season. You know these people clearly are no good. You know what I'm saying is that what happened to simon that used to tell them you suck, is that. It's clearly right in your face that again, this is all about ratings. Folks, it is audiences cheering all these people who have no talent to go through and they're pushing people through now. I do not think they'll make it to the live show, but they're least, and I believe that it goes back to the whole karaoke thing. Oh, you don't want to crush nobody's dream and this country is so freaking sensitive these days.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And I know what people say. Well, just don't watch it. And now I kind of agree with you, but I just don't. How did this stuff like karaoke and these type reality shows become so freaking?
Speaker 2:famous. Your guess would be as good as mine on that man. It's the strangest thing. It's like people get caught up in this back story and the better the back story, the more heartstrings they're pulling at people. And you know there's this 50-year-old woman sitting in her liver. You know his story really touched me and she's not really thinking about the talent anymore and when she hears him sing I don't think she's listening to that. All she remembers is the backstory. We need to push him through. And you ever notice the backstories. This is a good one. They come out and they start telling the backstory. You ever notice the background music.
Speaker 3:It's all sad, it's like to suck you in more, you know get to touch your emotions. It's like ooh Right, it's America's Got Talent, it's not America's Got Backstory. And hell, there's nobody on there that's even American. None of the judges is that most of the talent. Now, where are you from Brazil? Let me look back here. You know it's like nothing in that america's got talent is is correct exactly is that you know?
Speaker 1:I mean how he's from canada.
Speaker 3:You know, mel b is one from england. Uh, where's simon from you? Know again, I know he's from england another country, and and then who is the who judge? You got Mel B. You got Simon, you got Howie. Why am I forgetting this last?
Speaker 2:person.
Speaker 3:But I know that she's not from America, right, she's far away. What if the radio was like that?
Speaker 2:Like every song that come on, we want to hear a backstory before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a three-minute backstory before it comes on. I just looked it up, or Siri just looked it up it's Sophia Vergara. Yep, Yep. None of that says America. No, Is that you know? But guess what we accept. There's nothing that has America and there's nothing talent. There's nothing in that that speaks to that, but again, it's probably one of the. This should be just called Backstory.
Speaker 2:Or.
Speaker 3:Got Forgot. That's about the only thing in the title. Got Got? What do you got? Hell we don't know? Kind of like this show, I guess. So I maybe need to lay it off of it. What do y'all got? Hell, we don't know. Hell, we don't know, we don't know. We just hope some of these people that we've thrown these messages out to call us at this time, and that's what we're going to be doing. If you go to our website.
Speaker 2:That's why we want people to call in. We have our opinions and I'd like to hear other people's opinions.
Speaker 3:And again it's almost live. Because again we don't have an audience to go live, because we don't want to be sitting here going uh, we haven't got any callers.
Speaker 3:We done pissed everybody off you know, and just it, just have to keep talking, and then how many shows would go on and go? Well, we had no callers tonight, but you know, thanks for your opinion. You know that, but I still don't know if anybody's going to call in on these. Uh, you know, these messages I sent out and here's the thing is that you're gonna be able to go to our Facebook page and different other locations and we're going to put up the topics that we're going to be talking about with a time that you could call that we're going to be recording and be able to comment on these issues.
Speaker 3:Yes, you know, and you might not know what our opinion is quite yet, but you know, I kind of like that Because, again, they don't really know at that point. Are they agreeing or are they disagreeing?
Speaker 2:with us. That's what I love about the show. You know we're not here to judge anybody. You know we had an opinion. We want to hear yours, exactly. I mean, you may hit on some points that were like I didn't think about that.
Speaker 3:Right, that right. What this thing was created for was to make sure that these people that had that I'd met throughout the years, that went up there, pursued their dream. Is that to let them know that? You know, remember back to what the dream was a bit when you first was like, man, I just want to be, go to nashville and be successful. Yeah, is that that's where the goal should have been, because they went up there and they crushed that? Yeah, I don't want any of them back anywhere thinking that they failed, because that's the thing. Is that not becoming the biggest superstar in the world?
Speaker 3:doesn't mean that you failed. I think it's the system that failed you. Well, dude, it looks like that we do have a couple of people that are calling in. You want to take some calls? Yeah, let's do it. Let's just take a few seconds. You know, let these people wait just a second. Yeah, marinate it. Oh shit, they left. We ain't got no call. No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 4:Let's go ahead and take this first call. Man, what do we got?
Speaker 3:here Homer Gibbons. Holy crap man. All right for y'all that's listening. That might not know who Homer Lee Gibbons is. It's your fault.
Speaker 2:Right, you missed out.
Speaker 3:Look on YouTube. Yeah, exactly. Go to YouTube Go to YouTube Three-time world champion boxer, mr Homer Lee Gibbons.
Speaker 4:Man dude how you been, oh just been, living the life man, you know, hanging out with my kids and enjoying life, working life man, you know hanging out with my kids and enjoying life, working, uh, teaching, boxing people who have parkinson's tell me everything you know, man.
Speaker 3:That's uh. So what was your dream, homer? I mean, was it to to be the the biggest superstar in boxing? Or I mean what? What was the original dream for you? The dream?
Speaker 4:was to be successful. Uh, yes, Not for certain what that meant going to be successful in a suit and tie, owning a company, or was it going to be successful? Boxing just happens to be one of the places where I did well and got some notoriety, but I never thought when I was younger I was going to grow up and be a boxer. That wasn't really on my mind. But then when I got to be in my 20s 20 years old and I went out to Virginia Beach to train with Lou.
Speaker 4:Duva and they offered me a promotional contract. And then Evander Holyfield, my big brother, said don't sign no contract, I'm going to be your manager. And I said okay. We just went from there, you know, said don't sign no contract, I'm gonna be your manager. And I said okay, we just went from there.
Speaker 3:You know, it's funny how those things happen, man, you know I just recently left nashville after, you know, almost 30 years, and I had to check myself, man, because it felt like I was coming home with not a failure, but like did I accomplish everything that I wanted? I had to really think back to you know. Know, what was the dream? And I can remember it was just to have a show in Nashville. Just do one show and you've been around superstardom boxers. I look at you in my eyes as a superstar, but you can go to the grocery store. Would you want to be so famous that, again, you couldn't live a normal life?
Speaker 4:No, you have to give up some things, and that was one of the things that I never really wanted to be a part of that lifestyle. I had scholarships for acting and art, but I chose to box for a living. I had people who thought that I was going to be on Saturday Night Live. That's my dream, because I love to do comedy and I love that kind of stuff. There's certain things mean all of a sudden, lately uh, you've been watching these things happen where harvey weinstein and stuff, like the things that you have to do to be on tv, right, I'm just not willing to do them you got certain values, man, you know morals I'm never.
Speaker 4:I'm never going to be successful when it comes to being an actor, because I'm just not willing to do certain things Right, and you know I'm okay with that. I like being who I am. I like being able to sleep, you know, with myself, and go. Hey, you know I did what I wanted to do, I had a good time, so I'm happy with that. If I did anything before I could become rich, I wouldn't do it at all. It's about the lives that I impact.
Speaker 3:What was it like when you go off and you're recognized and your kids are there. Man, what does that feel?
Speaker 4:like my kids think it's weird. Why are these people acting like you're something big? It's like they appreciate the, the lifestyle I led. It's funny because my kids look at me and they see dad, right, right, you know. Other people see the boxer, you know. Then I've got some, some of my friends that they that they all they've known me to be a comedian and stuff like that, so they don't see me as the boxer Right. Or they see the soft side, a guy who writes poetry and lyrics, so they don't see the fighter. My friend up in New York tells me all the time he goes Dude, I've seen a movie that talks just about you. What?
Speaker 1:movie.
Speaker 4:It was Split Split. He was big, he was bald and everything. So then I watched the movie. I was like that is not me, man that is definitely not me.
Speaker 3:That's funny man, that is funny. You might not have a very huge view on this. What do you think Does karaoke deserve to be in Nashville?
Speaker 4:No, we all came up to Nashville and we saw you in the streets of Nashville. Every place we went to had wonderful singers, wonderful bands. Why would you need karaoke? Exactly You've got raw talent that's right there. Every day I mean, wow, those people were blowing me away.
Speaker 3:I've always said you don't go to disney world to be mickey mouse. You don't go to vegas to be the dealer. Why in the hell are you coming to nashville to be the singer? You know what I'm saying is that because I think that people are under the delusion that if they get up on a stage in nashville, tennessee, there is a, so maybe I'm going to be discovered tonight. That's just not how it works.
Speaker 4:Well, Jack, you understand the business side. That's like Evander. Evander understood the boxing side of boxing.
Speaker 2:Yes, and.
Speaker 4:I loved it, but he didn't understand the management side of boxing Right the business side. He didn't know how to manage my career Right, could I have been bigger inside of boxing right the business side. He didn't know how to manage my career right, I could I have been bigger? Of course, right, I'm happy where I was at. I mean, I got to be hanging out with my friend. I got to meet all the guys that I wanted to meet growing up uh, muhammad ali, joe frazier, george farman, larry home. So I mean, I was, I was that, yeah, most definitely lived that dream.
Speaker 3:Man, that is so crazy dude. So many people think that I'm making fun of karaoke singer. You know, I always think it's. You know the music business, karaoke business two different businesses. You have a lot of people that don't have talent at all. I always hear, oh, y'all got the best karaoke singers in the world here in Nashville and I'm like that's not saying much. Is it ever okay to tell I mean, because you gotta do this in boxing, because they'll just get tired of getting their ass whooped. Is it ever okay to tell somebody that they don't have that ability of that of that dream that they're chasing, like say they're a singer or whatever, and they just don't have it?
Speaker 3:man, they're tone deaf or maybe they can't do that left hook right you know, but is it ever okay to tell somebody that they need to back off and find another dream, or is that insulting?
Speaker 4:I, I do it in my gym all the time. These kids come in with these ideas of becoming a success and I'm looking at him going you're, you're never going anywhere.
Speaker 3:That's what you would tell me if I stepped into the boxing ring. For sure.
Speaker 4:I'm not trying to be mean. There's a thousand other boxers that are way better than you, right, and the only way that you are going to make it is, if you have to be one of those, put yourself in a position to be there. And to get to that position, you've got to do, do some crazy stuff, you've got to sign your life away, I promise you. The fighters that are fighting for the titles are not the best fighters out there, right, but they're the ones that are signed with the promoter, and the promoter has pushed them, so he's got them in a position where they can make money, right, everything. We look at this. Jake Paul. Oh my God, he sucks. He's horrible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he is.
Speaker 4:He's got promoting behind him.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 4:So they get in there with Mike Tyson Yep, the over-heeled fighter. And then Mike Tyson he didn't come out there wanting to kill that kid, and that's the thing.
Speaker 2:You could see it. Mike held back. I mean, I'm not a boxer. I saw it. Mike Tyson held back.
Speaker 3:Oh, definitely held back, bro. I don't even believe that fight was real guys.
Speaker 4:There were so many stipulations in the contract for Tyson to get paid.
Speaker 3:If he knocked him out in the first round he would get basically no money, and what I noticed was that there was 10 seconds left and Jake Paul backs up and he does that bow. If you would have done that to 21-year-old Tyson, you would be dead. Turn me off right there. I was like man. This wasn't real, because Mike Tyson would have knocked his ass out.
Speaker 4:Boxing has done this several times. I mean, this is not the first time. Back in the 90s you had Butterbean, who was just a tough man fighter, but he made your average man sitting on the couch think that he could fight. He tuned in to watch Butterbean fight and they got him tomato cans to fight. He'd go out there and knock them out and then you had the guy sitting on the couch going hey, I can do this too. No, you can't.
Speaker 2:Amen sir.
Speaker 3:Well, Homer, thanks a lot for uh, absolutely for calling in man. Is there any last thoughts you want to?
Speaker 4:give us uh. No, it's just good to hear from you guys again and uh being able to talk to you. Can't wait to uh hear jack again. Amen thank you, brother I'm glad you, I'm glad you're down here back homebound.
Speaker 3:Yeah, back home man, back home, back home man. Anytime you want to call in man, this line's open for you, buddy, always.
Speaker 4:All right, man I appreciate.
Speaker 3:It All right, you have a good one, buddy, and thanks again, y'all.
Speaker 1:Once again, Mr.
Speaker 3:Homer Lee Givens you ready for another phone call. Let's do it, all right, just calling in. What's up, man? Oh my god, for y'all don't know this. This is like one of my favorite singers in uh, nashville don't get offended, because you're not nashville yet. Jack my god, robert burgess man. Uh, what's going on with you tonight, buddy?
Speaker 5:I just got done playing, chilling, drinking a beer. What made you call it tonight? Because you're famous man. I want to talk to a famous person, all right jack he's talking about you, buddy buddy.
Speaker 3:No, robert, do you remember what was the dream man? Was it to be superstardom?
Speaker 5:It's always a dream. Are you kidding me? Of course that's a dream.
Speaker 3:So your dream is that you want to be the biggest superstar in music.
Speaker 5:No, I just want to be up there with them, I just want to be on the team.
Speaker 3:I is a curse, because I've never met a celebrity that looks like they're really happy. Is that I?
Speaker 5:mean, do you want to be so famous you can't go to the store? Yeah, I would just well, you know, I'd have to just wear a different hat or something.
Speaker 3:I think musicians are cursed, so they just pay so I mean, it doesn't surprise me that you want to be a superstar man. To be honest with you, in my eyes you already at least act like one. Thanks, man. I know you're gonna have an opinion about this one. When we were earlier talking about does karaoke deserve to be in nashville. What is your opinions on that?
Speaker 5:I think, man, I think there's a place for karaoke and karaoke where karaoke is and people go there to sing karaoke. You know, there's nothing wrong with that in nashville does it deserve to be there. I mean, and if you say yes, that's cool I'd say yes, I think it deserves to be anywhere. I think any person should be able to sing if they want to, man okay, yeah, well, even if people that don't sing it. That's why they go to karaoke. They want their you know chance to do it.
Speaker 3:I think everybody can have a chance to shine or not shine is it a dream crusher when somebody is, you know, singing and they're tone deaf and they're no good at it? Man, I mean, is it ever okay to tell them that they're no good and they need to pursue something else?
Speaker 5:A person that doesn't sing good knows they don't sing good.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 5:You're right about that. Sooner or later, someone is going to tell them, my man, especially in Nashville Sooner or later somebody's going to be real with them.
Speaker 3:That's a fact, it's not that I want to crush dreams or whatever. It's just I know people. There's a lot of people like you, robert, could deserve to have them. People get off the stage and go back to the audience. Man, that's all I'm saying is that your show should be packed, not the karaoke bar next door. I say Karaoke's fun. I just think it's got out of hand in Nashville, bro, there is no chance in hell that you're ever going to come to Nashville on vacation, get up on a karaoke stage and get a fucking record deal.
Speaker 2:And there's thousands of people that come in here every week that think that I think a lot of them too, and all of a sudden they think they can sing. I mean really.
Speaker 3:And then they get off the stage. That's the same way I was about comedy.
Speaker 2:And there's probably, I'd say, one out of the bunch that probably ends up going. I'm going to move here. I think I can do this.
Speaker 3:That's a good question for you, man, because shows like American Idol and all that stuff, man, it turns out to be more about the backstory. Do you think that the backstory should matter at all in the industry?
Speaker 5:You know, I think backstory does matter Okay. Because, it has to do with what a person's heart is, what they've been through, what they lived through, their strength. You know like a lot of people sing good, but like someone that sings good has been through hell, like mean. You know like they had to live through some shit right. So I think, I think everything has its place. American idol is what it is. You know what I mean america's got talents even worse that's about ratings, man.
Speaker 5:It's about tv's about ratings. So of course they're gonna be about that, because they're trying to get some sort of you know, dramatic story.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I get that and but I mean back in my days, dude, you can watch star search and that was a very popular show and they didn't eat up that you know half the time talking about these, you know their poor stories that we all have had hardship. Yeah, you're right, when I listen to a comedian or listen to a band or a singer or whatever, I'm not concerned about their backstory. Is that more to sell it?
Speaker 5:well, here's what I think. I think that there's a lot of people out there that have backstories, have this or that they deserve it. They don't deserve it, but one thing about it is the people that write the songs that live them and that are real. That is what people are looking for.
Speaker 3:So I think sooner or later, those people are going to get realized right, I do like to watch the behind the scenes and different stuff like that. I love to hear those stories, but that's afterwards. I'm not picking who.
Speaker 2:I want to be a star because of what they've done or maybe an artist, you know, uh searching for a song right finds a song that he can relate to, because maybe he's lived it right that to me is a different kind of a backstory right, he's singing I agree with that you know because he relates to it right you know, as opposed to coming up on stage on american idol going. Oh, you know, I I grew up and you know I had cancer in my knee and I finally got rid of that and right you know. And then all of a sudden, maybe he's a half average singer, right?
Speaker 3:you know I get what you're saying, I do yeah, and I mean and I'm not trying to knock things, I'm just trying to say where are we going?
Speaker 5:I think it's more about where we're going, because all what you're talking about is what the entire world is sick of, right, like? That's the good news for guys like me who write songs that I live, and like when I play a song, like I've lived that shit right, amen, brother, that's the good news for me, because that's what people are starving for, because of what you're talking about, right? Yep, I think at this time, there's never been a better time where people are just starving for just a real artist out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somebody that's going to sing, and it's actually came from something they actually experienced.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 5:Right yeah, not a pity story, you know Right. Right, you know a lot of people don't like Taylor Swift, but you know, one thing about her is, when you hear her music, you start from the beginning. You hear her life, yeah, and that's what I'm talking about, and that's how I mean One thing about her that's real is the fact that every song she's wrote, she's lived it.
Speaker 2:It's something she's experienced, whether you know it was a breakup, or you know a boy at 16, or everything that she's lived, she's put on paper and turned it into a fucking hit are you gigging tonight, man?
Speaker 5:well, I just got done playing. I'm just at a club right now. We just it's like this hell yeah setting where it's just cool because, like you know, it's just a little bit chill.
Speaker 2:Just got out of the loud club, yeah d play me a little segment of your uh part of your show man dude, you are badass. Hey man, thanks, I appreciate that absolutely, brother yeah, jack is.
Speaker 3:Uh, he's the gentleman who brought me to nashville, left me up there to help you, but he's about to be coming back up to nashville. Do you have any advice for jack?
Speaker 5:no man, just put the hammer down, dude.
Speaker 3:I mean, there you go, that's what I said yeah, he was there for 23 years it's kind of still the old school mentality, but but if you want to gig, bad enough, you'll get one amen there's some artists that have to take, like a guitar gig or something just for for extra money or while you're waiting for your next gig, to do that you know, I do play gigs.
Speaker 5:I play piano gigs, okay, I play lead guitar gigs. There you go. I think also it's not even um a bad thing, because the singer can only sing so much, right. So I do my gigs and I enjoy. I enjoy playing for other people also because it's different, you know, and it's also less stress. These days you can make a living in nashville, not like back in the day. It's way better, exactly better. So, jack, I think you should do it, man.
Speaker 3:Oh he's definitely coming. He's trying to drag me back up there, man. What do you think about that? Should I move back to nashville?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm taking him with me, so I think you should.
Speaker 5:You should come back. You're home, I miss you man. I've known this cat since he was 12, so he's coming daryl, I think you should do whatever you want to do, man, you should enjoy and you should do what your heart tells you to do. That's what you should do. That's what everybody should do.
Speaker 3:Right, I definitely miss you too, brother, anyway, yeah, well, dude, I'm glad that you called in. I'm going to let you go party, man, and hopefully you'll call in at least once a month.
Speaker 5:Bro, you got to call me up and let me know, is there anything that robertburgesscom b-u-r-g-e-i-s takes you to all my socials and all that?
Speaker 2:okay, robert, it was damn nice meeting you, brother hey, nice to meet you too.
Speaker 5:Thanks for your time. Y'all hope y'all have a good night you do the same man.
Speaker 3:You have a good one, brother, and we'll talk to you soon.
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Speaker 3:All right, let's take another caller man. All right, you're on the air with Gerald G White and Jack Christopher.
Speaker 6:Hey, this is Sharpie. What's up?
Speaker 3:Now it's Sharpie, correct.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it's definitely Sharpie. You know my parents call me Chris.
Speaker 3:I went to Branson for a little while. I went up there and I actually met his wife. That time they didn't even know each other and I'll let him tell the story later. What an met his wife that time they didn't know each other and I'll let him tell the story later. What an amazing talent this guy is. He is played with everybody up there. Is that? You know, branson is a lot like, uh, nashville, right? Right, tell me if I got the story right. Is that in the 70s that a lot of country music singers got pissed off and moved to another town and started their own nashville? Is that pretty much what it was?
Speaker 6:pretty it. They wanted to base it off of shows to bring people in and sell tickets, versus a touring lifestyle. That's just kind of what I've heard the story is.
Speaker 2:That makes a lot of sense. It does have you ever had a desire to move to Nashville.
Speaker 6:The way I look at it is, if I need to go to Nashville to track, I'm about a nine hour, I'm a nine hour drive, right. So if I have to go or if I have a session that's important or pressing, I mean all I gotta do is just drive out. The thing is, I lived in Nashville. I engineered at the House of Blues there in Berry Hill, okay, for it was about six months, seven months. That's when I got on the Yellow Wolf record and all of that stuff, working with Malcolm Springer. So, like, I've done the Nashville thing, I personally love Nashville, but it's so darn expensive to live there. Obviously, if I had the money to live there, you know and you know it will be great.
Speaker 6:Branson's good for me, because I just got off the show about Branson Bell. I play 11 to 14 shows a week, wow, wow. So it's like steady, it's like health insurance, dental 401k. I mean it's pretty much the dream, right, right, definitely. I've done all the touring, I've done all that stuff. It's great, but I get to go home and see my wife every night that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I mean you, you're the perfect setup uh, what was the dream in the beginning, buddy? And was it? Was it superstardom?
Speaker 6:okay. So about 13 years old, I remember my dad in like casual conversation, just hanging out at the kitchen table. He said well, what do you want to be when you grow up? And I said I want to play music. I want to play guitar for a living. That's because I knew at a young age, probably before I was 13. I knew that that's what I wanted to do. And he said I would probably pick a different career choice. That's what my dad told. Can you blame a father for saying that?
Speaker 2:no, no, no, no.
Speaker 6:They want the best for you and they think that you're going up against a lot of people and you got a rare chance of making it it's such a weird thing like looking back, I mean when you're 13 and you're like playing that zeppelin riff I was learning everything by ear, you know, off of a cd, you know, and, and it was like it was stardom. I mean it was like I wanted to be the next Jimmy Page. I mean that's like what I wanted, definitely for sure. As you get older, it's like kind of like reality hits. It's like, well, you know, I can make a living at this Now. It was a very, very, very hard road and I started playing professionally roughly about six years ago and I'm 37, so it took me until I was 31 to figure it out. I had to work a lot of bull crap, bullshit, jobs, like until I could figure it out.
Speaker 3:It was rough well, you've met a lot of people that you know that are superstars. I mean, have you ever really met one that probably wouldn't reverse that if they could?
Speaker 6:no way oh really. I don't think so are all of the ones that I've met. I think that they're they're blessed and they feel honored to be really.
Speaker 6:but I guess all the ones that I know, right, but all the ones that I know are more rock star type, so they're like out there living their best life, right. Right, I know scott wilson from saving able Right, I know Scott Wilson from Saving Abel Right, he posts, he posts all the time. I'm friends with him. He posts all the time. You know away from the family. You know they definitely miss their families.
Speaker 6:Josie Scott from Saliva I'm in that circle as well and I met Josie over there in Springfield Missouri. I was supposed to play on one of his records and it just didn't happen because the management's a long story. But he put made this post the other day and it was long, like saying and how he missed his family and how you know he's extremely blessed to live the life that he's lived. And you know the countless. You know hours of driving and not. You know hours of driving and not. You know sacrificing and seeing his family, right, but he said in that post he said but I wouldn't take it back for the world. I think a lot of these rock star type guys, they're truly happy. I would think it'd be more the people that aren't able to be true to themselves, and then they sacrifice.
Speaker 3:You know, I just don't know if I want to be so famous that I can't do normal things anymore.
Speaker 3:I you know in the beginning, when you first get the bug, you want to be go to the top right, of course now that I've been surrounded by so many people that I've seen that they change, and so there's got to be a reason why why they change. You know, when somebody comes up to me and wants to be my friend, I I know they're not going. Man dude, what can I get out of this guy that's got four listeners on his podcast?
Speaker 6:You've lived there right in Printer's Alley and all of that for so long. Like you've met so many of those guys yeah, and me, like I probably have I mean famous people that I know I'm talking like like, maybe just a handful, like maybe like 20. Right, you know what I mean. And they're all like I'm more in the rock and roll, the heavy metal scene. That's the group of people that I know.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 6:But I don't know, maybe it's different in the country aspect.
Speaker 3:Some people, like I said, is that they're not going to say it on record and I'm not going to tell you or some of the people that are. But I guarantee you that there has been a lot of celebrities that you know when I've got into that intimate relationship of talking to them or that conversation or ask them again don't regret it. Some of them would say I don't wish it on my worst enemy. Or if I would have known then what I know now, I would have just been happy with being successful In the now. I would have just been happy with being successful in the beginning. The first time I see Eddie Murphy, I said I want to be Eddie Murphy, right, oh yeah, dude, of course, but I think that once you get into the business and you start seeing different sizes when you start going, I'll be content right here. What is your view on? Uh? Does Kerry Oakey deserve to be in Nashville?
Speaker 6:and that is a very difficult question, because that's why I asked it, because for me it's like probably yes and no.
Speaker 3:That's your real answer. And then, man, I don't want to lose no fans over this shit. I want somebody singing my damn songs, like Carrie Akinbar D. Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 6:Well, okay, so I'm going to give you, I'm going to get get in me. I'm an artist, right, so I release. I've released like a 13 songs in the past 13 months, right? So, like I'm a writer, that's what I do. I write every single day. I wrote today. I mean that's what I do from a writer's perspective. Fuck karaoke, because that shit's bullshit in nashville. Okay, because people go to nashville to go see shows. You know, if you want to go see a cover, then go to a local bar and hear someone sing a cover, amen. But you don't need people who can't sing parading around like a bunch of bitches singing, singing the track music that they can't keep.
Speaker 2:A beat to man I got.
Speaker 6:I got a great story for you, man. Like I'm going to try to keep it, I'm going to try to make it real short, so I'm playing down on the main strip. I'm playing acoustic because I didn't have any money to eat at the time and I was living in a studio.
Speaker 3:I thought you said that's really short.
Speaker 6:Well, yeah, I know, right, right, sorry that happened to you. Buddy guy walks out of the bar loaded drunk. I mean, this guy is like you know how many of those people are five sheets to the wind out there. Oh yeah, he says. He says can you sing wagon wheel?
Speaker 6:and I said well, of course I can. I can play wagon wheel. Yeah, I can sing it, sure, yeah, yeah, I know that song. He's like I'll tell you what boy. I'll give you a hundred dollars if you'll play wagon wheel. You let me sing it. I said you're on deal. I said fucking deal, man. So I start playing it and I'm like I start singing it for him so he knows we're going to come in and he sings it. He just repeats it like a good, at least five, six times. I just let him repeat it because I was like I'm getting paid, I don't care. Yeah right, $100 for me. And then he stops and says here's your hundred dollars.
Speaker 6:I sang on the streets of nashville, oh, have mercy. And he just like stumbled off into the distance. Never saw the guy ever again. Oh god, freaking true story, man, what was your? Yes, okay, okay. My yes is this now I'm leaning 70, no, if not 85, no. But my yes is because people were on vacation, okay, and they're trying to get away from their lives and they're trying to have a good time. Yeah, man, go somewhere else, bro, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, like I've said, you know through this whole show is that you don't go to Disney World to be Mickey Mouse. You don't go to Vegas to be the dealer, but why come to Nashville to be a singer? Is that? Come here to listen to the music. You can have just as much fun being a fan than you can sitting there doing something you could do at your house, because I think most people do karaoke when they go on vacation. Simply for the fact of that, they think that they're gonna be discovered you're, you're definitely not wrong there, there.
Speaker 6:There is that. There, man, I've I've gone and seen some people that are really bad, right, and you know you're like, oh, they're just thinking that they might get lucky, right, because they they're in the heart of nashville, you know.
Speaker 3:And if there was, just one karaoke bar, I'd be okay, but when you've got a great band that is playing next door, that has one or two people in it, and then the bar next door is a karaoke bar and you can't put another person in there, that's ridiculous, you know, and these people, are paying five dollars a song to get up five dollars. You know what that could do to a musician. Yes, there is a carrier no, they're not.
Speaker 3:They're not charging yes, in printers alley that karaoke bar they charge you five dollars a song to get up there and they're just totally raking it in Wow.
Speaker 6:That completely changes my entire perception.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, because there ain't no damn way I'd pay.
Speaker 6:No, no, no. And they're getting to the point where they're rude to you at this bar.
Speaker 3:Yeah, screw that. It used to be where they would just, you know, kind of slide a tip jar. Now it's $ dollars a song period. You can have it. If you tip more, then you're gonna go in front of that person I just paid five dollars for, but because they paid freaking 50, you know, or did they?
Speaker 2:you know, you put them in front of me, that's disgusting, you know that is that's a shitty way to run.
Speaker 3:That makes me sick to my stomach, man yeah, it does me too, and I'm not a big fan of this person that owns this bar in the first place. Stuff like that just uh, just makes really cheap man. Yeah, it is that's.
Speaker 6:That's really cheap like these people. Do you know how many hours you have to sit there to learn how to how to play instrument? I played like four to eight hours a day for a good 17 to 20 years. Like to be able to learn to do what I do and then somebody can. Yeah, no, no, I'm not cool with that.
Speaker 3:Yes, do you think it's ever okay, man, to tell somebody they do not have the talent of the dream that they're pursuing? Man, or is it an insult? Are you doing these people a favor or are you insulting them? You are helping them.
Speaker 6:I agree, if you tell them that they're good and they have a shot, you're enabling them to waste their lives, because they're going to get upset later in their life because someone's going to tell them the truth and it's going to hurt a lot more then, after all of the money that they've invested in all the time Amen, I would say. Be straightforward, that's what I would say.
Speaker 3:You know you walk into a record label and you can't see them. They're going to tell you.
Speaker 2:Well, Frizz will mislead them, you know, because they don't want to hurt their feelings.
Speaker 6:A lot of them end up in Branson and I'm sorry Branson.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry Branson, but Is that how I ended up in Branson? That was a very slick way of saying some people come to Branson.
Speaker 6:It's just the God's honest truth, man. I mean I'm not saying there's not great talented people here. There's people in this town that could give me a run for my money on my guitar.
Speaker 3:Being from Nashville. Yeah, it was kind of like the, the amateur version of Nashville in a lot of places.
Speaker 6:It really is, though, and you go to the theaters that are off of the strip Right, that's when you really start seeing it. The ones that are on the strip are pretty darn competitive, and they're really picky about who they hire. I'll tell you one thing there are two specifically that I think are it's really awful, and I I'm not I'm not gonna say those names of those places. It takes it, it takes a bunch of people to run the strip, so I mean, you're gonna have a couple bad apples, right, right no, I agree, man.
Speaker 3:So here to wrap this up, man, I kind of started this off jack, because you got to hear this story.
Speaker 6:Tell him about what happened when you and danielle came down to visit me in nashville we came down just to have vacation and I was like, well, I'm gonna do some marketing and try to get on some records. So we came. We came out for a vacation, we stopped by the studio, hang out, hung out with my producer, and I showed him a couple songs I had written, trying to pitch some stuff. Then she said, hey, I've got a friend his name's D and he wants to take us out for some drinks. And I was like, well, sign me up, that sounds great. And a couple hours later, like I mean, I'm like maybe three shots. It seemed like almost back-to-back at Crown Royal. And you're talking about a good time. Dee showed us a good time. The places that he took me weren't the places that I went when I lived in Nashville because I was engineering for a studio, so I didn't get out that much Fast forward a little bit. I remember just being freaking like almost blackout drunk Been there.
Speaker 6:Been there right? I can't remember, was it that night or was it the day after. It was the night before, yes, and I remembered it. I remembered it the next day. What?
Speaker 3:did I tell you?
Speaker 6:You told me that this woman is going to leave you if you don't marry her. I know Danielle, and I remember it like clear as day, like even this day, even when I was that drunk. I remember you telling me this you said that woman is going to leave you, and I know that woman.
Speaker 3:unless you marry her or at least I was saying, I hope she'll leave you.
Speaker 6:You just misunderstood me it could have changed the entire course of time, right it would have little D's running around oh good, have mercy I know that would have been poor.
Speaker 3:That would have been like half gorgeous and half ugly. You know, like the weirdest god dang Dalmatian damn baby you ever seen. He goes home and I guess he ponders on it. You know it's like the weirdest god dang dalmatian damn baby you ever seen. You know he goes home and I guess he ponders on it. You know, all night long. You know, and I don't know if I was really being.
Speaker 3:You know, you say a lot of shit when you're drunk yeah, because you were matching that shot for shot. Yeah, so I really don't remember when he came up and finished his story, and what did you say to me the next day?
Speaker 6:I said. I said I'm going to, I'm going to propose to her and you're, you're like, you're what, and I'm like I don't know. Did I even tell you that? You told me that story? I can't remember he said you what, what, what.
Speaker 6:I can't quite remember if I told you that you told me that the night before All I knew is I do remember but you know, I was just trying to play it off like it did, but yeah. Okay, yeah. So I said, well, I'm going to propose to her. So like that's just no ring Nothing, no ring Nothing.
Speaker 3:Put this guy in paranoid, freaking delusion. He's like I'm on the bus. Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 6:I was like what better place than to do it in Nashville? I'm already here, Right, I want to do it, so why wait? Life's too short to wait. Damn right, that's how I am, man. Like what if I was to pass away that day?
Speaker 2:Amen brother, life's too short.
Speaker 6:That's just how I live, man. Life's too short. People say I want to play guitar. I'm like well, if you start today, here in 10 years, if you play four hours every day, you'll be good, but if you start here in 10 years, those 10 years are gone. So I just live my whole life on that philosophy.
Speaker 2:That's a good way to look at it, brother.
Speaker 6:Yep. I proposed to her and took him to the Ryman on the Ryman steps.
Speaker 3:Oh hell. And he proposed is why I take a video we have that video. Is that if? You look to the left, there is a homeless guy sleeping on the steps.
Speaker 6:No, he's looking at me like I'm making the worst decision of my life.
Speaker 3:You got this beautiful story of life is beautiful and it pans and the sky's like no, it's dark. Oh my God, I swear to God, this is the most classic story ever. Dude Should have had the preacher out there shotgun winning. Please tell me that you know my matchmaking skills was on.
Speaker 6:Oh yeah, it was completely on. You know we are. I just I couldn't be with a better person. I mean, she is just the best. I'm so blessed, you know, to have her. And yeah, it's a bunch of mushy, mushy stuff.
Speaker 2:No, I'm still jealous, I mean he's like I'm happy for you, fucker.
Speaker 3:Never forget my friend, dad y'all's coming to see me. Oh, she brought this guy. I'll run him off. I thought I was gonna run you off. Man, you're gonna lose her if you don't marry. I figure you'd be like fuck dad, I'm out of here.
Speaker 6:You know, I don't know where your boyfriend went what other woman will let you build a three thousand dollar guitar pedal board like? She right, she let me buy everything to build. I have my own touring pedal board, wow, and it cost me three thousand. And she let me build that. And we just we just bought everything for it.
Speaker 6:I mean, I don't know any other woman I can't think of any that I've ever met that would be that supportive Like I built this recording studio. I've been building it. I spent $12,000 last year. You know what other woman would let you spend that kind of money to chase your dreams I mean? To me that just speaks to everything.
Speaker 3:Right, and I'm picking on you, man right, and I'm picking on you, man uh, and I'm picking on danielle. She knows that we were just always great friends. Thought I'd make a little humor along with this, but I do think the world of both of y'all I do. I, you know I miss you guys all the time. Man and I need to make a trip up to branson soon you, you will dude.
Speaker 6:We just got to make it happen, man right. Well, I can get you on the, I can get on the showboat for free dude oh, let's go I'm on my way right this second.
Speaker 3:Can you send the boat to get me?
Speaker 6:you know how many bananas it took to get that boat in the water. I wonder how many bananas it take to get it out well, man, dude, is there?
Speaker 3:is there anything that you would like to uh say before we uh go to the next caller?
Speaker 6:yeah, I would like to say that it's not hard to be kind to people. It's. It's really not difficult to okay, gotta go to anybody that's chasing their dreams. Don't ever let anyone tell you that you can't do it unless you suck. I mean, I guess that is a little bit different. We did have that talk.
Speaker 3:I think everybody wants to be a rock star when the first time that they see a rock star?
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:But at the same time you have to have that talent to bag it up. And I'm not discouraging people from getting up there and trying and taking vocal lessons or whatever, but at the time, know when to walk away, know when to run. I don't want to break nobody's heart or dreams or whatever. That's not it. But I do think that you are doing a service to somebody to find a way to. I mean, maybe it's not you suck, maybe it is kind of like my parents is, push them into another portion and see if they couldn't find a path. Try to find an easier way to say it.
Speaker 6:I guess would be probably what we've learned tonight yeah, you set somebody in front of like three people and they'll be able to tell you if the person's good enough to make it right. And it's to the people, to the people that have the potential and can do it. Never give up. If you have any doubts that you're terrible, there's probably a reason you have that doubt. I just think that too many people give up too quickly and they and they get that nine to five and then, like me, I wouldn't be.
Speaker 6:I play guitar for a living, like that's what I do, and it's because I work my ass off. So, to those people that have dreams and you have potential, don't ever give up. A lot of people just don't. They just don't have the work ethic that it takes and they don't believe in themselves enough. And I just think that people need to hear that. Too many people quit because of money. They quit because I oh I have a family. It's like, no, you can figure it out, but you can't. But if you give up because, oh, you know, this job is going to pay me $30 an hour when you could go play somewhere else, like as a guitar player, for $20 an hour, some things are worth the sacrifice.
Speaker 3:What do you think about what Chris just said? I?
Speaker 2:mean honestly, it's everything he's saying is spot on. If you got the talent and you really want to do it, you've got to go do it. You can't listen to the naysayers. You can't listen to the people that get in your head and say man, you're just wasting your time, Because if you do that, everybody would quit.
Speaker 6:Everybody. I am a hard-headed son of a bitch.
Speaker 2:And I can tell that about you already, and that's why you're succeeding Right. You know what I'm saying, chris. I ain't met you before, but I can hear it in your voice. I hear your confidence.
Speaker 3:Nashville will kick your ass and they will make you feel like the lowest of the lowest of the lowest. I'm not trying to crush your dreams, man.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to do exactly what my family and what people have done for me. It stirred me into a dream that makes sense. Yeah, maybe somebody that ain't uh, musically inclined in that sense maybe maybe that's me. Maybe they could uh, you know work in the studio.
Speaker 6:Maybe they got a year for that, you know I remember I remember being an audio engineer in a studio, in the studio in nashville and barry hill, and I remember thinking to myself, I'm five times the guitar player, that the guy that I'm miking the cabinet up for right, and, and every time I would record these guys it was like instilling more gumption in me that I could do it, because I was like, well, if this guy can do it right and I'm like five times a player, and that's, that's I'm. I'm very humble, you know, but like it's just, numbers are numbers, you know, it's just, it is what it is, you know no, I got you absolutely all right, man.
Speaker 3:We are going to wrap this up, man, but I want you to call it a lot like yeah, I'll give you, I'll give you guys a call when, uh, when y'all on you know, look on our website, look for the subjects that we're going to be talking about. If we see something that grabs you, man, please call, please call in.
Speaker 6:I will, I will. I really appreciate you guys Absolutely. It was nice meeting you guys.
Speaker 2:Hey, nice meeting you too, brother. Good luck to you, man.
Speaker 3:Thanks for calling man and I'll talk to you soon. Tell Danny, I said hello, all right.
Speaker 2:Bye man.
Speaker 1:Bye, I will Bye. It's feast or famine, rain or drought. Once you're rocking in the cradle, you're rolling the dice. Every step is a gamble, so enjoy the ride. You've got to take your chances. Go on and let it rip, because life ain't a journey, it's a trip. It's a trip. It's a trip. No-transcript.
